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This was an answer to a post in Philosophy that surprised me. http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=Ao8RbN5wnOwqZXAc.D_RJmrsy6IX?qid=20061028180619AArAJkd Atheists, not scientists, believe its time to end religion. Science never proves or disproves religious origin and all unbiased scientists will cop to that. Only the hard-core atheists use science as evidence for their claims, but they are irrational about it. The above was a great lead in for: http://www.deism.com/dogmatic%20atheism.htm Then, a leading atheist, based on science, changes his position. http://www.biola.edu/antonyflew/flew-interview.pdf There is room for a creator!

It's not a fact. I am agnostic and I don't attack people for their beliefs. I think you said it best with "Science never proves or disproves religious origin." I think it's safe to say that what's good for one person isn't always good for another. You know? My policy is live and let live. Plus, no one is immune from attacking others/being attacked by others based on different lifestyles or belief systems or shoe size! ;-)

Why are you attacking atheist? Better yet, why don't you explain to me about the dragons in the bible.

When you say "all atheists do this" it's just as much of an attack as it would be the other way around. Reasonable and intelligent people don't make assumptions about entire groups of people based on what a few of them say or do. I can't say that all christians are pedophiles just because a few priests molested children, can I? Just a fact.

there is always room for bovine fecal matter as well not buying into it small minded step back to the whole picture please peace out enjoy life

A monk came to Pai-chang and asked, "What is the most wonderful thing in the world?" "I sit on top of this mountain," Pai-chang said. The monk folded his hand palm to palm. Pai-chang struck him.

You arguments now take on " an argument from the incredulous " Many scientists are atheists. So? They have arguments. Where are yours ? PS read your websites; not impressed or convinced.

As soon as you say you belive in something, there will always, without fail, be someone who will have an alternate view point. And with a question as big and unknowable as "is there a creator" the empirical truth will never really be known, so i guess that little conflict is set to run and run unfortunately.

"Just a fact. Atheists attack believers without merit. Why?" lol tu quoque, m8?

This is just my personal theory, but it seems a lot of atheists are very similar to religious fanatics, in the sense that they are very threatened by anyone who disagrees with their views. Religious fanatics always harp on religious texts to justify their views and atheists use science in the same way. They are two extremes on the spectrum and as such can be harmful because they limit one's understanding of the world.

A lot of reading, but very interesting. I have said this many,many,many, times on this Board, Albert Einstein (greatest brain of this century) believed in God. The Pope's (many of whom are extremely intelligent men, Pope John Paul spoke l5 languages and was a mathametician) believed. To people who believe, no explantion is necessary; to those who don't ,no explanation is possible, so as someone else, stated the battle between believers/non believers will rage on. I think it takes more to believe, that we are here by random chance, then to believe in a 'supreme being" higher power,supernatural being, whatever, for me I believe because I can't bear the alternative of an endless nothingness, after this life, this is not a SERMON, just my answer and opinons on this very thought provoking subject So, God bless us all, even you "little" atheists, and I am sure you have probably heard, " he believes in YOU! sincerely,JML

typical hypocritical uninformed person. "just a fact. Atheists attack believers without merit." You are stating all athiest attack believers as well as all athiest attack without merit. Both statements are extremly flawed. Questioning isnt attacking. Questioning is learning. All questions not asked will certainly get the wrong answer. -me-

Looking at history... I'd say that atheists are the ones under attack, not the strongly religious. How many millions of people were burned alive during the Spanish Inquisition? How many soldiers died because they didnt believe in someone else's idea of god? How many more will die? I'll tell you: a lot. What you believe is your own choice. If there is a hell, then it is filled with the prosecutors, not the non-believers.

Need to point something out to you. The "leading atheist" you referred to was not a leading atheist and in fact is a crack-pot loony who supported apartheid and has always been a conservative nut case. He simply became a poster boy for religious propagandists like yourself. Anyone, regardless of religious beliefs, who supported apartheid has never had my respect. Not very impressive research on your part. So, as for the merit issue, you seem to have none yourself.

The debate is bound to be everlasting one... We are trying to resolve something that concerns only an individual, and is purely experiential ! At the best, any communication to be able to turn out to be fruitful, has to be between a person who 'chooses' to communicate it out of total compassion, to a person who is really prepared to unconditionally surrender the self ! All this is too much to ask for ! That is why the rate of 'drop-outs' on the spiritual path is so high.

because religion divides.. it is not WHAT you believe (proven or unproven) it is what you do with that belief. The Crusades, Jihad are simply unacceptable.

Here's how I understand it... First of all, I think that atheists REFUSE to believe in the existance of God. It's not that they don't...they CHOOSE not to (agnostics are those who just don't know). We both (Christians & atheists) are out on a mission. We're out to save people from death, sin, etc., while atheists are out trying to save them from... (foolishness?) of believing in a God that they refuse to believe exists. I guess you could also look at it in the way that we witness to people of other faiths. We tell them the truth, thus trying to get them to turn & repent to God. Atheism seems to have turned into a faith where they witness to people of God-believing faiths, trying to get them to not believe in God at all. So in the same way that we believe in the urgency to get the word out about Jesus, atheists believe in the urgency to "save" people from the "foolishness" of believing that God exists. And so this, I believe, is why they attack us so much...we're competing for souls.